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Season 4 · Episode 147 Entrepreneurship
Saying no to funding, twice
Daniel Okafor explains why he bootstrapped his logistics software company to $8M in revenue instead of taking venture capital.
GuestDaniel Okafor — Founder and CEO, Routewise
Episode 147 Saying no to funding, twice
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Show notes
Daniel Okafor built Routewise the slow way. After six years managing freight operations, he wrote the first version of the software on nights and weekends, sold it to his former employer and grew it customer by customer.
Twice, investors offered him money. Twice, he said no. In this episode he explains the reasoning behind both decisions, what it cost him, and why he would make the same calls again.
What we cover
- Spotting an opportunity from inside an industry
- The real trade-offs in a term sheet, beyond valuation
- Value-based pricing for operational software
- Staying disciplined once the business is profitable
Key takeaways
- Daniel turned down two term sheets because both would have pushed him to sell to the wrong customers.
- Profitability bought him the freedom to grow at the speed of his market.
- He priced the product on value delivered per truck, not per seat.
- His biggest mistake was hiring too slowly once the money was there.
Timestamps
Transcript excerpt
Jordan Was there a moment you regretted saying no?
Daniel Every quarter for about two years. Then a competitor that raised forty million shut down, and I stopped regretting it.
About the guest
Daniel Okafor
Founder and CEO, Routewise
Daniel Okafor is the founder of Routewise, a logistics platform used by regional delivery companies across North America. Before Routewise he spent six years as an operations manager for a freight carrier. He writes a monthly letter on bootstrapping for other founders.
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